Is a wedding a meeting?

14 July 2011 Last updated at 08:44 GMT In May 2010 David Cameron met Rupert Murdoch for what Downing Street calls a "general meeting".

That is on the list of prime ministerial meetings already routinely revealed by the government.

Mr Cameron has now promised there will be a new era of greater transparency for the relationship between politicians and the media.

Yet, as with many aspects of this complex, rapidly changing business, the eventual implications of this pledge are far from clear.

The prime minister told the House of Commons yesterday that he wanted ministers to record and publish "all meetings with newspaper and other media proprietors, senior editors and executives - regardless of the nature of the meeting".

This would be achieved by amending the ministerial code which governs the conduct of government ministers.

The information will then be published quarterly. The same will also apply to special advisers and permanent secretaries. And he added helpfully: "The Opposition might also want to adopt this practice to ensure a cross-party approach."

If fully pursued this would have a wide-ranging impact. It goes well beyond the current disclosure regime and in some respects beyond what happens under the Freedom of Information Act.

Working lunch

Under the ministerial code as it stands, ministers must reveal meetings with external organisations. Details are issued on a quarterly basis, although it looks to me as if the latest publicly available records cover December 2010, which doesn't seem fully in the spirit of transparency.

Some meetings are more publlic than others

This will tell you not only about the Cameron-Murdoch meeting in May 2010, but that other people he met formally last year included Bill Gates, Bob Geldof, Nick Ross and Brooke Kinsella.

Details of hospitality received by ministers' special advisers are also disclosed already. You can see that some of this appears to include being bought lunch by media organisations (including the BBC).

The method of disclosure in numerous separate files makes it a rather time-consuming and tedious business to compile a comprehensive overview across government over a long period, but the material is there.

David Cameron's pledge would go further than this by including all meetings (not just hospitality) for special advisers and - significantly - by also covering permanent secretaries, the top grade of the civil service.

Slumber party

However you could request this currently under the Freedom of Information Act. Where the new policy may go beyond FOI is through the phrase "regardless of the nature of the meeting", if that is interpreted rigorously.

This is because freedom of information applications may be turned down (as I know from experience) when they relate to meetings which are considered to be informal, private, social or party political, rather than formal meetings on government business of which some record is held.

So will we now be told about every wedding, "slumber party" and other social gatherings at which ministers and media executives mix?

Or does going to someone's wedding not count as a "meeting"?

Or what if the meeting is with a near-neighbour in, say, Chipping Norton and you pop round one day over Christmas for a bite of lunch - is that a "meeting"?

Uneasy question

In other words we don't yet know how much further transparency this will all bring to the tricky relationship between politicians and the media. That will depend very much on how many of the terms in the prime minister's statement are to be interpreted:

Will it be strictly "regardless of the nature of the meeting"?How long does a conversation have to be before it becomes a "meeting"?In this age of new media, who exactly is a "proprietor"? And, for many journalists, one important and possibly uneasy question will be: Who is a "senior editor"?

Working journalists who frequently meet ministers and special advisers - and even occasionally permanent secretaries - in all sorts of formal and informal contexts may be wondering about that now.

If implemented this will take the disclosure of politician-media relations well beyond that required for any other industry. But then the media does play a very special role.

And as yet there is no suggestion that the full content of the conversation will be automatically disclosed - now that really would take transparency to a very different level.

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Ed Miliband and Justine Thornton enjoy quiet wedding

27 May 2011 Last updated at 16:37 GMT Wedding bells - Ed Miliband weds long term partner Justine Thornton No wedding bells and slightly windswept, but a kiss - Ed Miliband and his new bride Justine Thorton were all smiles.

It was a long walk from their reception venue to meet photographers. But what DO you ask a political leader who's just got married.

So I asked the happy couple that old standby: "How are you feeling?"

"This is the happiest day of my life," said the Labour leader.

Family affair

The venue was Langar Hall, a smart hideaway in the south Nottinghamshire countryside.

Earlier, the media had staked out the hall's entrance looking for familiar Labour Party faces. No sign.

Brother David joined Ed Miliband for the wedding celebrations

The vast majority of the 50 or so guests were family, many Justine's relatives from the south Nottinghamshire and West Bridgford areas, where she was brought up and educated.

Ed's brother David arrived with his wife Louise and their children. He opened his window to greet reporters.

"Hello everyone. It's going to be a lovely day," he said.

It was. You can't beat a wedding.

Politics takes back seat

After the 25 minute civil ceremony inside, the couple emerged with the first opportunity for reporters to see Justine's wedding dress.

It was British designed: a cream, empire outfit by renowned designer Alice Temperley. His was a blue, grey suit from Aquascutum.

The couple wanted to make their special day at Langar Hall very much an occasion for family and close friends. For today, politics took a back seat.

The owner of Langar Hall, Imogen Scriving, was particularly overjoyed. She had to keep "mum" about the wedding arrangements for so long.

"They just look so happy don't they. The dress was gorgeous. It's just been a fantastic and wonderful day. So exciting. I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of it," she told me.

They wanted a low key ceremony.

There wasn't even a best man's speech from brother David - that was down to the newly married couple themselves.

Next stop, a five day honeymoon, somewhere warmer and hopefully less breezy than rural Nottinghamshire.

Ed Miliband and his new wife Justine

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